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Re: Speech and Language Development Questions and Tips

Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:30 pm

Hi girls, just a quick question. I feel silly asking but i don't know if i am doing the wrong thing.

When i want to teach D certain new words i shorten it eg bubbles i say to her "Bub, bub" Grandma i say to her "Ma, ma". She is picking up the words really really well. Sometimes i only need to say something to her once or twice and she will repeat it. I just wonder if i am doing the wrong things by shortening certain words? I just figure "Bub, bub" is easier to learn then bubbles. Alot of bigger words she picks up on her own so should i just say the bigger word and trust that she will learn it. arghh! LOL thank you in advance!!
 
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Re: Speech and Language Development Questions and Tips

Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:18 pm

It is a good idea to say the real word. As parents we often underestimate what young kids can take in in terms of language. Their minds are little sponges, you don't need to simplify it for them. I've seen so many kids who continue to say 'woof woof' for a dog or 'num num' for food as parents never stopped babying the way they said things. You don't want to get into those bad habits, and then it's confusing if you change the way you say it to them later on.
 
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Re: Speech and Language Development Questions and Tips

Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:24 pm

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It is a good idea to say the real word. As parents we often underestimate what young kids can take in in terms of language. Their minds are little sponges, you don't need to simplify it for them. I've seen so many kids who continue to say 'woof woof' for a dog or 'num num' for food as parents never stopped babying the way they said things. You don't want to get into those bad habits, and then it's confusing if you change the way you say it to them later on.


Thats what i thought. I know she can say bigger words so i just have to let her go and trust she will learn them the right way in her own time.

Thanks Lotus.
 
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Re: Speech and Language Development Questions and Tips

Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:31 pm

I posted back in June but there still hasnt been a big improvement in my little boys vocabulary who is now 18 months old and his daycare have also said they are concerned about it. I havent heard mummy or daddy for ages and pretty much the only words that he says are No, Thank you and Bye. He understands when I ask him thing - like if I ask him what says woof, he looks for the dog and if I ask him what meows he points at the cat. He also gets a book if I ask him, goes upstairs to his room if I tell him we need to change his nappy or that we need to have a bath, or goes to his highchair if I say its time for breakfast/dinner. Is there anything I can do to encourage him to actually speak more words? Last week he said moo heaps for a couple of days but then we havent heard it again. We spend a lot of time looking at books and making sounds etc but he doesnt seem to get it....
 
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Malswife wrote:
I posted back in June but there still hasnt been a big improvement in my little boys vocabulary who is now 18 months old and his daycare have also said they are concerned about it. I havent heard mummy or daddy for ages and pretty much the only words that he says are No, Thank you and Bye. He understands when I ask him thing - like if I ask him what says woof, he looks for the dog and if I ask him what meows he points at the cat. He also gets a book if I ask him, goes upstairs to his room if I tell him we need to change his nappy or that we need to have a bath, or goes to his highchair if I say its time for breakfast/dinner. Is there anything I can do to encourage him to actually speak more words? Last week he said moo heaps for a couple of days but then we havent heard it again. We spend a lot of time looking at books and making sounds etc but he doesnt seem to get it....


Have you had a look at the tips I've linked to in the first page of this thread? That has some ideas you could try. At 18 months with 3 words I still wouldn't be too concerned, especially as he's understanding all routine instructions. Some kids can go from having 3 words to having 50 words in only a couple of weeks. Do you know for sure that when he was saying Mummy & daddy that he was saying it with meaning, and it wasn't just babbling? Also, if you can get hold of this book (many libraries stock it) http://www.hanen.org/Hanen-Programs/Pro ... ogram.aspx I really recommend this book for the best ideas on how to encourage language.
 
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Re: Speech and Language Development Questions and Tips

Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:43 pm

Thanks so much!!!! I will have a look at the tips on the front page and have a look for the book :)
 
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Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:14 am

Hi Elise,

Archer is almost 22months and really is not speaking. The one and only word he says everyday is Coco, the name of our dog. I know I shouldn't compare to others his age, but it is hard not to. All his little friends are talking and copying words from their parents. If I try and get Archer to say a new word, eg - ball, he just laughs at me and runs away. He has no interest in learning to speak and doesn't copy anything.

For example, when he wants a drink and he will stand at the fridge and and say "eh eh eh", same at the pantry if he wants something to eat. I know he wants a drink and will ask him what he wants. I gave him to chance to say what he wants and he just looks at me. So then I say "Do you want a drink?" and he jumps around excited. I then say "Mummy will get you a drink, heres your drink archer, lets sit down and have your drink". I am trying really hard to teach him by pointing out object and colours and whatever, by repeating the names, but it isn't working.

DH is concerned too. He wants to take him to see someone, and I keep saying, no lets wait till he his two and see what he is up to. I read some of the threads you have on here (which are great!) and found them very informative.

Do we keep doing what we are doing or should we see someone? Its getting very frustrating for both Archer and us, specially with a new bub, as we can't always work out what he wants.

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Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:15 pm

Kel I keep waiting for the word explosion. I know it will happen, DH is just freaking out because Archer won't talk. He really wants to get him assessed.
 
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Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:03 pm

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Archer is almost 22months and really is not speaking. The one and only word he says everyday is Coco, the name of our dog. I know I shouldn't compare to others his age, but it is hard not to. All his little friends are talking and copying words from their parents. If I try and get Archer to say a new word, eg - ball, he just laughs at me and runs away. He has no interest in learning to speak and doesn't copy anything.

I'm certainly not a professional but just wanted to let you know that Hudson said very few words (maybe Mum, Dad, No, Up, Book and Duck?) at that age and just after 2 he improved. He was still over 2.5 before he had the 'explosion' that everyone talks about and even then it was a lot slower than most kids but he's getting there.
 
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Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:12 pm

I'm sorry to ask what has probably been asked 101 tmes before Elise but I promised I looked on your links in the first page and am still not sure of the answers.
Archie seems to be very similar to his big brother and at 17 months doesn't really have any words. 'Da-Dad' is the only word he says consistently. Occasionally he will repeat a sound back to us (duh for duck or beh for book) but never on his own. He had 4-5 words at 12 months but seems to have 'lost' them :shrug:
He obviously understand what we says, can follow instructions and uses hand gestures and pointing a lot so I'm not worried about a cognitive problem as such.
 
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Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:23 pm

Myf - at 3 years of age speech should be about 75 - 100% intelligible, so if you as his mother and most familiar listener have difficulty understanding him less than that, I would probably suggest you have a Speech Path assessment. Even if he's able to copy sounds on their own, it's much harder to put them into real words, especially as he's used to saying those words a certain way. Check out this link that has some more info on speech development: http://www.speech-language-therapy.com/acquisition.html
3 year olds are a good age to work on speech with.

Macy - 22 months is still quite young to have an assessment, as he's still likely to have the word explosion soon. It won't happen before he's ready, but doing all the thingsd you're doing, lots of repetition and as Kel said do a running commentary, you'll be helping him along. I've mentioned about the book 'It Takes two to talk'
http://www.hanen.org/Hanen-Programs/Pro ... ogram.aspx
This has lots of great suggestions for ways you can help encourage his language development.

mrsmac - Does he copy sounds you say on their own? e.g. If you said 'b..b..b..' would he copy those sounds? It's a bit different with sounds in words as he's used to saying them a certain way, so he'd go back to saying the word the way he knows it. with bolte bridge, what he's doing is quite clever, as I think he's making a word that has no meaning to him to a word he knows has meaning ('salty' is a meaningful word whereas Bolte's a name, but rhymes with Bolte). Does he make errors with other 'b' words or just that one? And does he mix up 'm' and 'n' in other words, or just 'money'? If it's just money then that's a common one.
 
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Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:25 pm

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I'm sorry to ask what has probably been asked 101 tmes before Elise but I promised I looked on your links in the first page and am still not sure of the answers.
Archie seems to be very similar to his big brother and at 17 months doesn't really have any words. 'Da-Dad' is the only word he says consistently. Occasionally he will repeat a sound back to us (duh for duck or beh for book) but never on his own. He had 4-5 words at 12 months but seems to have 'lost' them :shrug:
He obviously understand what we says, can follow instructions and uses hand gestures and pointing a lot so I'm not worried about a cognitive problem as such.


At 17 months i wouldn't be concerned. He's still got a lot of time to have the word explosion. It's not uncommon for kids to have some words early on then not say them for a while. What were the words he's stopped saying? If his comprehension seems quite good, he's following instructions etc., then he's probably on track.
 
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Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:30 pm

Thanks lotus. I will tell my DH. I'll see if my library has that book. I do the commentary on alot of things. Good to know I am doing all the right things. It's so hard not to worry though!
 
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Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:17 pm

^^^ So the audiologist didn't think it was unusual that he wasn't correctly hearing the words? I think I'd be a bit concerned. It may be an Auditory processing issue. Check out the info on this site: http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/voice/auditory.html I definitely thik it'd be worth having it checked out. If there's a Speechie at his school just having them come and have a look at him would probably be good.
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:21 pm

Hi ladies! Can I just start by saying that this thread has been really helpful, and Ive managed to get thsi far from just reading, but my DS is really starting to worry me, so thought I'd post in here and see what the responses are. Im really sorry if its been asked before, as I know theres been a few stutter questions, but not exacly what I'm looking for.

My DS is 2 years and 3 months old, and has started to develop a stutter. Its started off not very often, but it seems to be getting worse, and more frequent. It started off as full words, eg... Me me me watch TV, but now its sometimes turning into part words eg. wa wa watch TV. The last two days Ive noticed that he's not always saying the stutter, but just mouthing it, then getting the word out, like he'll just mouth "wa wa wa" then say "watch". Im not sure if its just developmental, or something to worry about, but I feel horrible everytime he does it. Ive tried telling him to slow down, and think about what he wants to say, but it just seems to be getting worse and worse.

Ive been to the MCHN, and she said that she wont muck around with a stutter, and has referred me to teh speech pathologist or therapist (sorry, I dont know the difference) at our local hospital. The only thing that worries me, is that the wait could be months.... Would I be better off paing the money and going to a private practice? Im so confused, and just worried about my baby :(

Thanks so much in advance for your help :)
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:06 pm

kelbo, we are going through a similar thing with our almost 3 year old. She repeats words and sounds like the, the, the, etc and gets stuck on some sounds. I think I posted a video of it somewhere in this thread actually.
I've given it a couple of months to see if it went away but she is still stuttering as much as ever. Some days it's really bad and it just breaks my heart. :( We've taken her to be assessed at a public clinic and they told us the wait could be up to 6 months, but they won't overly concerned because apparently the therapy works best for 3-4 year olds. However, it's been worrying me so just today I've booked her in to see a private speech pathologist in 2 weeks. It's expensive, but I was worried about not getting onto it soon enough. If you are worried then I'd suggest you at least get an initial assessment done and decide what to do from there. Just be prepared for a shock when you find out how much it costs - I nearly fell off my chair when I was told that the initial consultation is $360 with no Medicare rebate! :eek:
It's so hard watching them struggle to get the words out. :(
 
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Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:15 pm

Go to your GP for a care plan (not sure of technical name). You can have 5 speech therapy sessions with rebate from medicare in a yr. Your GP will need ST details. Every dollar counts!
 
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Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:29 pm

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I nearly fell off my chair when I was told that the initial consultation is $360 with no Medicare rebate! :eek:
It's so hard watching them struggle to get the words out. :(


:eek: :eek: :eek: I'm not surprised you almost feel off your chair! That's 3 times what I charge, and way more than the going rate (around Melbourne anyway). I'd say keep looking around as in my opinion that's way over-priced.

kelbo - Definitely get a prof opinion. If he's having trouble getting sounds out, it sounds like he's "blocking" which is definitely a sign of stuttering rather than normal dysfluency. It is much harder to work on stuttering if they're under 3, but still worth having a go. And as Alibubba mentioned you may be eligible to get a EPC plan through your GP and then claim 5 sessions through medicare (if you see more than 1 specialist, e.g. audio, Paed etc.).

torz - In terms of what you'd expect comprehension wise in the 12- 18 month old, and this is what they've demonstrated any instance of, not whether they do it every time (as many toddlers don't usually respond every time):
- follow routine instructions with cues (e.g. put the ball in the box [pointing to the box])
- identifies familiar objects from a group of objects (e.g. cup, ball, teddy, car, spoon).
- demonstrates appropriate use of objects in play (e.g. spoon, cup, car, ball, blocks). Play skills are very closely related to language development so play at this age can tell us a lot about their communication development.
- understand when you say "wait" or "stop" (even if they don't always respond).

With regard to teaching him language, you don't really need to focus on it specifically. The best way toddlers learn is through play, so if you focus on language in an acitivity he's initiated he's more likely to learn it. e.g. If he loves playing with a ball, throw the ball up and down, saying 'up' every time it goes up, and 'down' as it comes down. Roll the ball 'fast' and 'slow'. Name the actions as he's doing them. Name the body parts he's using for the action e.g. Kick with your foot. Catch with your hand. Look, I caught it. It's in my hand. " Even if you don't do this, most kids will pick up language through your every day interaction, so don't worry too much about it.
 
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Re: Speech and Language Development Questions and Tips

Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:41 pm

Ok, I will keep ringing around then Elise. Thanks. It seemed extremely expensive to me but I didn't have anything to compare it to so I wasn't sure!

ETA - we managed to find another speech therapist who could fit us in and she charges a lot less! $105 for the initial consult and $70 for appointments thereafter...my blood pressure has returned to normal now. :lol:
 
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Re: Speech and Language Development Questions and Tips

Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:14 am

I think I know what you mean Fee. So like 'boot' to rhyme with 'foot'? The 'k' sound develops on average before 3;6, so I begin to work on it about then.


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