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Speech and Language Development Questions and Tips

Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:55 pm

Hi all!

I'm a Paediatric Speech Pathologist with a private practice specialising in Children's Speech, Language & Literacy Development. Here's my website: http://www.littlevoices.net.au
I've now included a BLOG on my website for answering questions, so for any new questions please refer to the BLOG. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have through my website.

Please use this thread to find answers to questions relating to common speech, language, communication or literacy development. :)

See the links below for info on different areas of childhood speech and language development:


Language Development Tips

Tips for language development - 0-10 months
Language development - first words
Language development - when to be concerned
Tips to promote normal communication development
Language Development Tips 1-2 years
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Re: Language Development Questions and Tips

Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:19 pm

Thanks mods! :thumb: Ask away!
 
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Re: Language Development Questions and Tips

Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:40 pm

Great! OK it's been a while but thanks for giving me the chance to think like a professional again and not a Mum. :D Excuse me if it takes a while to get back into gear.

musolissa wrote:
Is it normal for a 12-18 month old to say a new word regularly and in context, then just stop and not use it again


Yes completely normal. It happens a lot until they get quite a large vocabulary of different words.

musolissa wrote:
What is classed as "saying" a word- for example Lachlan "says" button, but it comes out more sounding like "buht" we know exactly what he means as he is pointing to his or my belly button when he says it, but it doesnt come out as button.



If a child says a word that sounds like the word they're trying to say, they say it the same way consistently and in context, then you count that as a word. The way he's saying button is known as "Weak Syllable Deletion". It's a common process that's very normal and will often resolve around the age of 4 years. He's leaving off the weaker syllable in a word. All children make predictable pronunciation errors when they are learning to talk like adults. These 'errors' are called phonological processes. Phonological processes are gradually eliminated between the ages of 2 1/2 years and 5 years. See this website for more info: http://www.speech-language-therapy.com/Table3.htm

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What do you do about words they copy and say say max 5-10 times and then not again, is that counted as a word?

TIA


Words that are copied but not said independently in context are not usually counted as a word in their vocabulary, as the words are really only parroted and the child doesn't necessarily know the meaning and function of the word. Hope that makes sense.

Hope that helps a bit.
 
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Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:44 pm

Dear Elise

when I ask my 12 month old to say 'muuuuumm' and he replies with 'daaaaaaad' stretching it out just as I did he really is being a little brat on purpose isn't he? :P

sorry couldn't help myself :) thanks for agreeing to do this thread!
 
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Re: Language Development Questions and Tips

Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:54 pm

Elise, thank you so much for doing this. I have always read these posts with interest. I am curious to know what the year ahead is going to be like for us.

I am bilingual (I speak Mandarin/Cantonese and English regularly, other languages not so much). I speak to Andrew in both languages (I would say it is 50/50), DH speaks to him in English. My parents speak to Andrew (they care for him twice a week) in Cantonese. My mum read storybooks to him in Cantonese and Mandarin. The only words I know that A says with regularity, going by what you posted above, are 2 Cantonese words and 3-4 English words.

So my questions are:
- people always tell me that language development for a bilingual child is going to slower. But what does 'slower' that mean? That he won't get to the milestones (number of words by 2, etc)? What is normal in this situation?
- Is it bad/confusing that we speak to him in 2 dialects (Cantonese and Mandarin) at home? My mother tongue is Cantonese (so it naturally comes to me when I am speaking with family). But Mandarin is the more universally common language (most playgroups, storytime at libraries, school curricula for when he is older run in Mandarin), hence my desire for him to be exposed to Mandarin. (I grew up with 3 dialects :lol: with Cantonese/Hokkien/Teochew speaking relos, started learning Mandarin from kinder I think, but I don't remember being confused or not :lol:)

Looking forward to your responses!
 
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Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:08 pm

Oliver does the first-syllable thing too. Other than making sure we say the correct word (ie button, water) instead of his word (but, woh) is there anything else we should be doing?

ETA we generally repeat it back to him, so he says "Woh?" and we say "here is your water, Oliver" etc.
 
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Oliver does the first-syllable thing too. Other than making sure we say the correct word (ie button, water) instead of his word (but, woh) is there anything else we should be doing?

ETA we generally repeat it back to him, so he says "Woh?" and we say "here is your water, Oliver" etc.


A friend of mines little girl did this...she eventually started saying the correct words around 2 years old.
 
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Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:37 pm

C wrote:
Elise, thank you so much for doing this. I have always read these posts with interest. I am curious to know what the year ahead is going to be like for us.

I am bilingual (I speak Mandarin/Cantonese and English regularly, other languages not so much). I speak to Andrew in both languages (I would say it is 50/50), DH speaks to him in English. My parents speak to Andrew (they care for him twice a week) in Cantonese. My mum read storybooks to him in Cantonese and Mandarin. The only words I know that A says with regularity, going by what you posted above, are 2 Cantonese words and 3-4 English words.

So my questions are:
- people always tell me that language development for a bilingual child is going to slower. But what does 'slower' that mean? That he won't get to the milestones (number of words by 2, etc)? What is normal in this situation?
- Is it bad/confusing that we speak to him in 2 dialects (Cantonese and Mandarin) at home? My mother tongue is Cantonese (so it naturally comes to me when I am speaking with family). But Mandarin is the more universally common language (most playgroups, storytime at libraries, school curricula for when he is older run in Mandarin), hence my desire for him to be exposed to Mandarin. (I grew up with 3 dialects :lol: with Cantonese/Hokkien/Teochew speaking relos, started learning Mandarin from kinder I think, but I don't remember being confused or not :lol:)

Looking forward to your responses!


im interested in the Bilingual questions as well- I sometimes feel I miss opportunities to extend his language because he is trying to say two words at once or I don't understand the word he is using.

He definitely understands instructions in two languages - just wondering when he will put it together
 
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Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:40 pm

actually I have a real question. I've asked Balins speechie and she doesn't think I should worry yet but Keith is shy enough that she doesn't hear him talk often either which makes it harder.

At what point should I be worried about Keith copying Balins more 'unique' pronounciations of certain words? I do correct him but he's stubborn and seems to believe that however Balin says a word is the right way to say it. I have noticed that as Balin starts to pronounce certain words better Keith's pronounciation improves as well which has to be a good sign but I still wonder sometimes if I should be more worried about it.
 
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Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:26 pm

question .... my mum thinks that D sounds very nasily, his speech is still quiet hard to understand, unless you are used to it.. and even then .....
i am not sure weither its related to hearing, anoids, or tonsils...

ah where to start.... or as he is only 3 is it too early anyway, and just wait and see.??
 
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Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:26 pm

Ooh this is exciting with all these questions. Sorry I haven't been around today to answer them - a very hectic day, but I'll get back on tomorrow and answer them all for you.
 
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Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:00 am

I was going to ask the same as Muso if it's a word whey they say something like 'boo' instead if 'book' but you've answered that now thank you :thumb:

How many words 'should' an 18 month old have in their vocabulary? I think H is really only saying Mama, Dad, Duck, boo (book), ta, up and down and boo (for peekaboo) the rest is just parrotting - he'll try to repeat words when we say them but not on his own. Is that fairly normal for his age? Oh and he definitely understands us and follows instructions etc so I'm not worried about comprehension.
 
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Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:34 pm

OK, girls are napping so I've got a chance to answer some questions. Apologies if I don't get through them all yet. I want to do my best to answer them as accurately and to be of most help as possible.

C wrote:
So my questions are:
- people always tell me that language development for a bilingual child is going to slower. But what does 'slower' that mean? That he won't get to the milestones (number of words by 2, etc)? What is normal in this situation?


It's all very individual C. Research has shown that at the age of 2 years the language of bilingual children in general is behind that of children with one language. Each child is different though of course. From my experience however (and I worked in a school where 60% of the children had a 2nd language), most children catch up by the time they reach school if the first language is strong and not left behind. What can tend to happen though is that once children begin school their English becomes the stronger language and they lose their 1st language. This can impair language learning. Having 2nd language is sort of like making the language pathways in the brain stronger, so if both languages are kept up, it can be a huge advantage for learning during schooling. I'm trying to recall the actual stats, but I think it's by grade 6 most bilingual children show a higher capacity for language learning in general (including literacy) than single language children.

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- Is it bad/confusing that we speak to him in 2 dialects (Cantonese and Mandarin) at home? My mother tongue is Cantonese (so it naturally comes to me when I am speaking with family). But Mandarin is the more universally common language (most playgroups, storytime at libraries, school curricula for when he is older run in Mandarin), hence my desire for him to be exposed to Mandarin. (I grew up with 3 dialects :lol: with Cantonese/Hokkien/Teochew speaking relos, started learning Mandarin from kinder I think, but I don't remember being confused or not :lol:)



Absolutely not! Children are sponges when it comes to language and really do seem to sort it all out in their brains in ways that adults never would be able to. As i said above, the more languages, the stronger those pathways which is a huge advantage later on. Keep it up! He'll love you for it later in life when he finds it much easier to learn at school than his peers.

Hope that helps.
 
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leebee wrote:
Oliver does the first-syllable thing too. Other than making sure we say the correct word (ie button, water) instead of his word (but, woh) is there anything else we should be doing?

ETA we generally repeat it back to him, so he says "Woh?" and we say "here is your water, Oliver" etc.


Repetition is the most powerful tool for language learning in toddlers. Just repeat, repeat, repeat the words. The more they hear them said the correct way, the quicker they'll learn to say them that way. So exactly what you're doing is right. He says "woh", you say "You want your water? Water. Here's your water. Drink your water." That way you're saying the word he said numerous times so he's hearing it in different sentences and contexts. Make sure you say it on its own as well. It might feel strange to do that at first, but you get used to it and it becomes automatic. I find myself doing it all the time.
 
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brook wrote:
At what point should I be worried about Keith copying Balins more 'unique' pronounciations of certain words? I do correct him but he's stubborn and seems to believe that however Balin says a word is the right way to say it. I have noticed that as Balin starts to pronounce certain words better Keith's pronounciation improves as well which has to be a good sign but I still wonder sometimes if I should be more worried about it.


This is a tricky one. I wouldn't be too worried either at this stage. Instead of correcting him, just repeat the words back to him a few times in context the correct way so that he's hearing your corrected model (see what I suggested to leebee above). If he hears the correct way more often than the incorrect way he's more likely to develop the correct way of saying it.

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question .... my mum thinks that D sounds very nasily, his speech is still quiet hard to understand, unless you are used to it.. and even then .....
i am not sure weither its related to hearing, anoids, or tonsils...

ah where to start.... or as he is only 3 is it too early anyway, and just wait and see.??


If it's quite nasally Liz I'd probably get it checked out as it could be physical (a cleft in his uvula or soft palate). If it's causing some speech difficulties as well it'd be best to get onto it before he starts kinder. I see lots of kids for speech at 3 years and this is a really good age to work on it as it's lots of fun for them and they have no idea they're doing anything more than just playing. You can correct things very quickly at this age too. If you want to chat about Speechies in your area let me know (or if you're not far from me I'm happy to do a basic assessment just to check if you like).
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Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:42 pm

I was wondering at what age I should start worrying about strange pronunciations, eg free instead of three, magwet instead of magnet?

Emma's language is really good, but there are still a lot of words she doesn't say quite right...
 
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Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:54 pm

Thanks Elise!

I worry about Keith because with Balin being my first I really have no idea of what 'normal' should be, I know his speech is nowhere near as bad as Balins was at age 3 but he's nowhere near as articulate as some of the maternal toddlers of a similar age seem to be either but I don't know how much of that is simply because he speaks to Balin more than anyone else.
 
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doublehappiness wrote:
How many words 'should' an 18 month old have in their vocabulary? I think H is really only saying Mama, Dad, Duck, boo (book), ta, up and down and boo (for peekaboo) the rest is just parrotting - he'll try to repeat words when we say them but not on his own. Is that fairly normal for his age? Oh and he definitely understands us and follows instructions etc so I'm not worried about comprehension.


at 18 months the variability of what's considered normal is huge. I've seen heaps of kids whose comprehension is age appropriate but they're not saying a thing at 18 months, but by 2 years they've got 30-40 words. New words when they come can just all of sudden explode. It can seem that overnight they go from just a few to too many to count. I generally tell parents that if your 18mmonth old understands a lot of what you say and follows basic instructions then they're on the right track. 8 words is pretty good at H's age. This will give you a general idea of what to expect before 18 months. http://www.icommunicatetherapy.com/prog ... ?task=view
 
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Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:33 pm

Thanks for that site Lotus- its given me a few points and reassured me that Chris is pretty average :D
 
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kyliealysha wrote:
I was wondering at what age I should start worrying about strange pronunciations, eg free instead of three, magwet instead of magnet?

Emma's language is really good, but there are still a lot of words she doesn't say quite right...


Kylie it dpends on what sounds they are. The ones you mentioned are appropriate for her age. It's very normal for children to keep saying 'f' instead of 'th' until around 8 years of age. It's the last sound to develop. Saying 'magwet' for magnet' is unusual, but possibly what she's doing there is having trouble putting 2 consonant sounds together. How is she with words like 'glue', 'green' etc. Do you know how she'd pronounce those words. Again that's age appropriate as I wouldn't be worried about putting 2 consonant sounds together until after 4 years of age.

Check out this website for more info on speech development and what's appropriate for what ages. Table 4 has a list of the ages to expect each sound to develop. Hope that helps.

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He still says 'Cooper' as 'Tooper' though. :shrug:


Fee, what he's doing there is called Velar Fronting. You'll see it explained in the link I posted above in Table 2, then the age you expect it to resolve in table 3. As you can see, it's still appropriate for Cooper's age, though should resolve soon. I start working on 't' for 'k' around 3 1/2 - 4 years.


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