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Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:38 pm

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He's recently been diagnosed/assessed by a physio as having very low muscle tone so I've wondered if that's been related to his 'delayed' speech?


Low muscle tone can very much impact speech. If that's the case and you do look into a Speech Path you'd need to find one who works on oro-motor areas (I don't, and it's a very specialist area). Let me know if you'd like to and I can find someone who specialises for you if you'd like.
 
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Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:31 pm

Is it normal for 2.5 yr olds to have made up words. Isabel adds , plew or plunk or plunky plunk to words like "come her milly plunky plunk" or playing make believe with her toys talking normal words then adds a few made up ones!
 
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Hi Elise,
Can you tell me if its worth using Cued Articulation with toddlers? I am familar with it from when I was teaching but cant remember whether it was something that is used before primary age?

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Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:49 pm

What a wonderful thread Elise. We finally had a speech therapist do an assessment, and also the kinder had someone come out and observe R when he was at kinder. Both people picked up on the 'k' sound as been an issue for him - it is the hard 'c' sound like c in cat. He also has issues with 'g' and sometimes the 'd' sound. One of these ladies seemed to consider it to be a fairly big issue, but the other one said that it wasn't a big problem, at all.

We are going to do speech appointments for him over the next few months and see how it goes, but, in your opinion, at 3 years and 10 months, how big a deal is this? Not just specifically in our case, but generally, would it be cause for concern on it's own? (he appears to be ok with most other words and sounds, and has a large vocab).
 
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Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:57 pm

littlemisslibby wrote:
Is it normal for 2.5 yr olds to have made up words. Isabel adds , plew or plunk or plunky plunk to words like "come her milly plunky plunk" or playing make believe with her toys talking normal words then adds a few made up ones!


Absolutely! :thumb: It's just playing around, experimenting with words, sounds and language. It's a great developmental stage.
 
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Hi Elise,
Can you tell me if its worth using Cued Articulation with toddlers? I am familar with it from when I was teaching but cant remember whether it was something that is used before primary age?

Thanks :D


Definitely you can! It's really useful for 3 year olds when they're starting to really change their speech sounds to become more mature. Especially to show the difference between long and short sounds, and to bring their attention to which parts of the mouth you use to make the sounds.
 
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Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:05 pm

Sorry i replied to all these separately and not all in the same post. I meant to reply to all at once, but kept pressing submit forgetting I had more to do. :oops: :oops:

rarmalb wrote:
What a wonderful thread Elise. We finally had a speech therapist do an assessment, and also the kinder had someone come out and observe R when he was at kinder. Both people picked up on the 'k' sound as been an issue for him - it is the hard 'c' sound like c in cat. He also has issues with 'g' and sometimes the 'd' sound. One of these ladies seemed to consider it to be a fairly big issue, but the other one said that it wasn't a big problem, at all.

We are going to do speech appointments for him over the next few months and see how it goes, but, in your opinion, at 3 years and 10 months, how big a deal is this? Not just specifically in our case, but generally, would it be cause for concern on it's own? (he appears to be ok with most other words and sounds, and has a large vocab).



What he's doing is called 'fronting'. For more info on that see this article: http://speech-language-therapy.com/acquisition.html Fronting is expected to have resolved by the age of 3 1/2, so he is delayed, but not significantly. I usually work on it some time between 3 1/2 - 4, so he'd be right on the time that I'd work on it. It is a typical process than can occur just on it's own, and i often even work with kids on this once they've started school, but it's not really recommended to leave it that late.
 
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Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:14 pm

Hi Elise - Ollie still is unable to pronounce R's L's so he will say wight and wove instead of right and love. He is 4.5 - do you think I should be thinking about booking him into speech therapy? Another speechie friend of mine said it should rectify itself by 5 but I see no improvement. He knocked a bottom tooth out too which affected his speech for a little bit but that part seems ok now.
 
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Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:58 pm

I was just wanting some advice on whether E needs to see a speech therapist. My MCHN isn't a great help.

E was slow to talk and then something seemed to click and he came ahead in leaps and bounds. The problem is that it's almost like he trips over his tongue. I had a look at some links posted awhile ago but none of them seem to describe the sound combinations E struggles with.

It's words like:
Sandwich : Swand widge
Ethan: Ekan
Liam : Lea mon
William: Will a wom
Elephant: Hella lella pant

and also in longer sentences, he seems to mispronounce the words in the middle.?

Has anyone else come across this before?
 
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Sorry i replied to all these separately and not all in the same post. I meant to reply to all at once, but kept pressing submit forgetting I had more to do. :oops: :oops:

rarmalb wrote:
What a wonderful thread Elise. We finally had a speech therapist do an assessment, and also the kinder had someone come out and observe R when he was at kinder. Both people picked up on the 'k' sound as been an issue for him - it is the hard 'c' sound like c in cat. He also has issues with 'g' and sometimes the 'd' sound. One of these ladies seemed to consider it to be a fairly big issue, but the other one said that it wasn't a big problem, at all.

We are going to do speech appointments for him over the next few months and see how it goes, but, in your opinion, at 3 years and 10 months, how big a deal is this? Not just specifically in our case, but generally, would it be cause for concern on it's own? (he appears to be ok with most other words and sounds, and has a large vocab).



What he's doing is called 'fronting'. For more info on that see this article: http://speech-language-therapy.com/acquisition.html Fronting is expected to have resolved by the age of 3 1/2, so he is delayed, but not significantly. I usually work on it some time between 3 1/2 - 4, so he'd be right on the time that I'd work on it. It is a typical process than can occur just on it's own, and i often even work with kids on this once they've started school, but it's not really recommended to leave it that late.


Thanks you for replying Elise. It meets up with what the speech therapist said- the other lady who evaluated him had a different set of paperwork which said he would have these sounds 100% by age 3. So that made me a bit concerned.
He is able to say these sounds in the middle of words- so 'cat' may sound like 'tat', but if he says something like 'monKey' than the K sound is very clearly there. I am guessing that is common with this?
 
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Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:36 pm

Thanks Fee - I do vaguely remember Cooper doing that.

Elise the other thing I've noticed Hudson doing is the 'z' sound for 'y'? E.g zoo for you and zour for your - is this a usual process?
 
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Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:43 pm

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Hi Elise - Ollie still is unable to pronounce R's L's so he will say wight and wove instead of right and love. He is 4.5 - do you think I should be thinking about booking him into speech therapy? Another speechie friend of mine said it should rectify itself by 5 but I see no improvement. He knocked a bottom tooth out too which affected his speech for a little bit but that part seems ok now.


Polly, I tend to see kids for 'l' once they start school, and 'r' is a bit later, about grade 1. See if he can make a 'l' sound on it's own without making his lips into a shape for 'w' (can be tricky). if he can do this OK he's most likely to develop it himself by the age of 5. If he struggles to make a 'l' sound copying you then he's less likely to develop it himself.

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I was just wanting some advice on whether E needs to see a speech therapist. My MCHN isn't a great help.

E was slow to talk and then something seemed to click and he came ahead in leaps and bounds. The problem is that it's almost like he trips over his tongue. I had a look at some links posted awhile ago but none of them seem to describe the sound combinations E struggles with.

It's words like:
Sandwich : Swand widge
Ethan: Ekan
Liam : Lea mon
William: Will a wom
Elephant: Hella lella pant

and also in longer sentences, he seems to mispronounce the words in the middle.?

Has anyone else come across this before?


Kelly, they don't really sound like usual sound substitutions. He may just be playing around with words (the last example with how he says 'elephant' sounds a bit like he's playing with words), but it may be worth getting an assessment just to have a proper look at his speech overall. Sorry I can't be more help, but they're certainly not common errors.

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Hey Elise!

What is normal for speech around Jett's age? He will be 3 in August.

He speaks in some 5 word sentences, but they seem rather limited. He's not a very chatty boy by nature and is much more of a do-er that a talker. At the moment he loves houses and cubbies, and if we drive past a big house he will say something like, "big house! Up stairs! Bye, big house!" or a conversation will go something like this,

"What does Woody say on Toy Story?"
"Snake boot!"

The answer is, "there's a snake in my boot." he tends to just say 2 words when asked questions, normal or not? Then ofcourse there are times when he pretends to be on the phone and he'll say, "Hi, how are you? Good thanks! See you next week!" but he won't just
come up with a random big sentence by himself if that makes sense. He is smart, great with
comprehension and motor skills, colours/letters/numbers/shapes, the only thing that
concerns me is his language. I should add, when he does speak his pronunciation is perfect
and he makes all the correct sounds, so he can make complex word-sounds.

ETA: just trying to add more info for you! Yesterday in the car was a good example of how he speaks. He decided he wanted to go to Sea World, hopped in the car and said,

"sea World! Dolphins! Yes please, yes Jett! Sea World!" that's a typical example of how he strings his words together.

Thanks in advance!


Angie, it sounds like he's pretty much on track for turning 3. Here's some info about what to expect from a 3 year old's language:
Use pronouns I, you, me correctly
Is using some plurals and past tenses
Knows at least three prepositions, usually in, on, under
Knows chief parts of body and should be able to indicate these if not name
Handles three word sentences easily
Has in the neighborhood of 900-1000 words
About 90% of what child says should be intelligible
Verbs begin to predominate
Understands most simple questions dealing with his environment and activities
Relates his experiences so that they can be followed with reason
Able to reason out such questions as "what must you do when you are sleepy, hungry, cool, or thirsty?"
Should be able to give his sex, name, age
Should not be expected to answer all questions even though he understands what is expected


Is he saying many 3-4 word sentences, or mainly just 2 word? I think with the examples you gave that's Ok for almost 3. Is he using many action words?
 
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Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:13 pm

Thanks so much Elise - it is tricky isn't it, Is there something I can look for??!!
 
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Hi Elise ,

I've noticed Isabella main issue with words is certain letters at the start of words . For example the main ones ;

School - she will say 'fool' no matter how many times we correct her

Dry - she is will 'fry'

In other words starting with the same letters she can say. We usually repeat them with her and she will attempt it but never gets it and tells me when she is a big girl she will say it properly :lol:
 
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Angie87 wrote:

Thanks Elise! That really puts my mind at ease!

Yes plenty of 3-4 word sentences. Some from this morning are, "beautiful hair, mummy!", "there go, Jasper!", "I did it! Yay!" he knows everything else you suggested there too. As far as action words, you mean things like clapping, running etc? He'll watch TV and say something like, "look! Girls! Girls running!" but then take yesterday for example, I asked what he did at kindy and he said, "animals! School! Animals, school!" so I said, "you learnt about animals at school? Wow! What kind of animals did you learn about?" and he replies, "tiger, rrroooarrrr!" so sometimes he does use only 2 word replies. He would never randomly come out with a long sentence about something though, like I hear a lot of other kids his age doing. If he sees a rainbow for instance, he'll say "rainbow! Red, yellow, green, blue!" he doesn't really use linking words iykwim.

Thanks so much again Elise, you help a lot of people with this thread.


No worries! Glad i can help.

With the action words, girls running is a good example. With asking him what he did at kinder, it's harder for children to put together a sentence about something that has happened in the past and is not there in front of them, than it is for him to describe something he's seeing in the here and now, like he does if talking about something he can see on TV. So you'd expect his sentences to be more basic when talking about past events. Does that make sense?


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Hi Elise ,

I've noticed Isabella main issue with words is certain letters at the start of words . For example the main ones ;

School - she will say 'fool' no matter how many times we correct her

Dry - she is will 'fry'

In other words starting with the same letters she can say. We usually repeat them with her and she will attempt it but never gets it and tells me when she is a big girl she will say it properly :lol:


Kass, those are quite common substitutions for consonant blends. It's much harder to say 2 consonant sounds together (e.g. 'sc' in school, 'dr' in dry), than it is to say the sounds in words when a vowel comes next. So even though she can say 's' in 'sun' and 'c' in 'car', putting them tpgther in a word is a different process all together.

Are you still keen for her to have an assessment?
 
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Hi Lotus :) You are doing an awesome job answering everyone's questions - this forum is very lucky to have you!

Just a quick question:

DD is 18 months and I am not at all concerned about her language as she has a huge vocab (over 300 words) and is putting together 2 word sentences.
Just wondering if it is common for them to sustitute "a" at the end of words instead of "y". For example, DD says "Dumma" instead of dummy, "Bunna" instead of bunny and "boobas" instead of boobies. She does say "baby" though??
I usually just repeat it back to her correctly - just curious if this is a normal substitution?
 
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Hi Lotus. Firstly I'll say you are a champ for doing this thread! :4u:

I'm a bit concerned about D's stuttering that has started recently. I know it can be normal at this age but my worry is that she seems to be doing it an awful lot and the stutter isn't just a couple of repetitions, it's a lot. And she does it in the middle of sentences too.
Over the past few weeks it has become really bad to the point where she will say something like "I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I don't like n-n-n-n-n-n-nu-nu-nu-nu-n-nu-nu-nu-nuts mummy" (or something like that) and sometimes will even say "I w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-waw-w-w. I can't say it" :( So she is getting very frustrated by it and just gives up sometimes.
Her grandmother has a stutter too so I'm worried that it's going to continue to be a problem for her. Do you think I should take her for an assessment?
I've tried to get a good video of it, but this is the best I could do. She will often stutter for much longer on a word than she does in this clip.
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Hi Lotus :) You are doing an awesome job answering everyone's questions - this forum is very lucky to have you!

Just a quick question:

DD is 18 months and I am not at all concerned about her language as she has a huge vocab (over 300 words) and is putting together 2 word sentences.
Just wondering if it is common for them to sustitute "a" at the end of words instead of "y". For example, DD says "Dumma" instead of dummy, "Bunna" instead of bunny and "boobas" instead of boobies. She does say "baby" though??
I usually just repeat it back to her correctly - just curious if this is a normal substitution?


At 18months kids do all sorts of different things with speech sounds. The pronounciation at this stage is not too much of a concern. They usually sort it out. If she's still doing that at 3 then you might look into doing something about it, but for now it's not a problem.
 
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omzie wrote:
Hi Lotus. Firstly I'll say you are a champ for doing this thread! :4u:

I'm a bit concerned about D's stuttering that has started recently. I know it can be normal at this age but my worry is that she seems to be doing it an awful lot and the stutter isn't just a couple of repetitions, it's a lot. And she does it in the middle of sentences too.
Over the past few weeks it has become really bad to the point where she will say something like "I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I don't like n-n-n-n-n-n-nu-nu-nu-nu-n-nu-nu-nu-nuts mummy" (or something like that) and sometimes will even say "I w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-waw-w-w. I can't say it" :( So she is getting very frustrated by it and just gives up sometimes.
Her grandmother has a stutter too so I'm worried that it's going to continue to be a problem for her. Do you think I should take her for an assessment?
I've tried to get a good video of it, but this is the best I could do. She will often stutter for much longer on a word than she does in this clip.
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omzie just from seeing that footage my feeling is that it is likely to be a stutter. It would be very beneficial to have her assessed by a Speech Path I think. The age she's at now is a good age to begin the Lidcombe program if she is found to have a stutter. The younger the child is often the less time it takes to help her to resolve it. good luck! Let me know if you have any questions.
 
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Thanks Lotus. :congrats: I'll book her in for an assessment then. I appreciate you taking the time to reply. :D


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